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本帖最后由 陌辞寒 于 2023-8-8 15:44 编辑
我做了一下第一篇文章的机翻双语版（断行的原因，翻译会有问题）：
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Barrie Gellis NYC Seth Presentation – 11/22/09
Barrie Gellis NYC Seth 演讲 – 2009 年 11 月 22 日
HOW DEEPLY EMBEDDED IN THE SETH MATERIAL, IF AT ALL
如果有的话，在 SETH 材料中的嵌入程度有多深
IS THE CONCEPT OF NOT HURTING AND ACTUALLY HELPING OTHERS?
是不伤害他人并实际帮助他人的概念吗？
Thank you all for coming here.
谢谢大家来到这里。
I’m not sure
我不知道
How to introduce myself—but I will try:
如何自我介绍——但我会尝试：
My name is Barrie Gellis
我的名字是巴里·吉利斯
And I am one of the original NY Boys from Seth Class.
我是赛斯班最初的纽约男孩之一。
I attended class for about a year back in 1972-1973.
1972-1973 年我参加了大约一年的课程。
I have some online Yahoo Seth boards,
我有一些在线雅虎赛斯论坛，
The oldest ongoing one called
最古老的正在进行的称为
Barrie’s Seth Message Board
巴里的赛斯留言板
is almost nine years old;
快九岁了；
I also hosted an online Seth chat
我还主持了一场在线 Seth 聊天
For about ten years
大约十年来
And I just started a Facebook Seth page.
我刚刚创建了一个 Facebook Seth 页面。
I am also a poet.
我也是一名诗人。
In Sue Watkins’ book on Seth class, “Conversations With Seth.”
在苏·沃特金斯（Sue Watkins）关于赛斯课程的书中，“与赛斯的对话”。
You can find some of my poems
你可以找到我的一些诗
And so my real name is in the index of that book.
所以我的真名在那本书的索引中。
in my first class,
在我的第一堂课上，
Seth referred to me as “our poet”
赛斯称我为“我们的诗人”
And I just thought he was being polite.
我只是觉得他很有礼貌。
I didn’t realize that Seth wasn’t into manners in that way—
我没有意识到塞斯不那么有礼貌——
And thus I never asked him further about it.
因此我再也没有问过他这件事。
But it was nice to hear—even IF he was just being polite...
但很高兴听到——即使他只是出于礼貌……
To date, I have written more than 4,000 poems, published about 80 in magazines And have put together 100 of them in a book called “Outside Is A Secret Key”
迄今为止，我已经写了 4000 多首诗，在杂志上发表了大约 80 首，并将其中的 100 首整理成一本名为《外面是一把秘密钥匙》的书。
Some of which are available on the tables outside.
其中一些可以在外面的桌子上找到。
Today, I’m here to ask the question
今天我是来提问的
And to answer it, as far as my beliefs go:
就我的信念而言，回答这个问题：
How deeply embedded in the Seth material, if at all,
如果有的话，在赛斯材料中的嵌入程度有多深？
are the concepts of NOT HURTING AND ACTUALLY HELPING OTHERS?
是不伤害他人和真正帮助他人的概念吗？
I have discovered
我发现了
That various Seth concepts will tie in to this discussion: These Seth concepts are as follows: 1. love is the basis of existence,
各种赛斯概念将与本次讨论联系起来：这些赛斯概念如下： 1. 爱是存在的基础，
2. people are innately good, loving and compassionate
2.人性本善，有爱心，有同情心
3. violations and natural guilt are “instincts” we embedded in ourselves— to prevent us from repeating harmful acts
3. 违法行为和自然内疚是我们根植于自身的“本能”——防止我们重复有害行为
4. we are here to learn that we create our own reality—via our thoughts, beliefs, expectations and emotions
4. 我们来这里是为了了解我们通过我们的思想、信仰、期望和情感创造了自己的现实
5. and as we do so we are not to hurt others
5. 当我们这样做时，我们不会伤害他人
6. and as we do so we are to HELP others
6. 当我们这样做时，我们就是在帮助他人
7. the ends do not justify the means
7. 为达目的不择手段
and 8. violence is never justified even in the pursuit of your ideals or in self-defense First, I’d like to state what I hope will always be one major ground rule
8. 即使在追求理想或自卫时，暴力也永远是不正当的 首先，我想声明我希望永远成为一个主要基本规则
That I believe is key to everything,
我相信这是一切的关键
And it is this:
就是这样的：
In any discussion or presentation:
在任何讨论或演示中：
In the end, TRUST yourselves first and foremost over everyone else—
最后，首先要相信自己胜过其他人——
Listen to what others say, listen to what I say, listen to what Seth says--
听别人怎么说，听我怎么说，听赛斯怎么说——
And THEN TRUST and listen to your SELF as you assess it all And hold onto whatever rings true deep down inside YOU, And throw away or put on hold—everything else.
然后，在评估这一切时，相信并倾听自己的声音，抓住内心深处真实的一切，然后扔掉或搁置——其他一切。
Allow me to add one more thing:
请允许我再补充一件事：
Be brave in questioning yourself
勇于质疑自己
Be brave in delving within.
勇于向内钻研。
Be prepared to find answers and new questions
准备好寻找答案和新问题
You never dreamed of
你从未梦想过
Or that may even scare you.
或者这甚至可能会吓到你。
Back to today’s presentation:
回到今天的演讲：
what MOTIVATED MY quest to discover
是什么促使我去探索
How deeply embedded in the Seth material
塞斯材料的嵌入程度有多深
If at all--
如果有的话——
are the concepts of
是以下概念
NOT HURTING AND ACTUALLY HELPING OTHERS?
不伤害并真正帮助他人？
Here is the answer:
答案如下：
I started to encounter Seth readers
我开始遇到赛斯读者
Who used the Seth material to explain such beliefs as these: 1. You can’t help others nor should you try.
谁使用赛斯材料来解释这些信念： 1. 你不能帮助别人，也不应该尝试。
For example, starving people:
例如，饥饿的人：
If you try to help them you must first create their starvation, And so you are actually hurting them.
如果你试图帮助他们，你必须首先让他们挨饿，所以你实际上是在伤害他们。
If you don’t want starvation in your world,
如果你不想让你的世界挨饿，
Then don’t focus on it
然后就不要关注它
And by talking about it you are focusing on it.
通过谈论它，你就专注于它。
Another one was that it is OK to murder because there is no death And therefore a murder is equal to a kiss.
另一个是谋杀是可以的，因为没有死亡，因此谋杀等于亲吻。
Another one:
另一个：
We are all God therefore being human is an illusion
我们都是神，因此成为人类是一种幻觉
And therefore, you should not even try to talk a rapist out of raping
因此，你甚至不应该试图劝说强奸犯停止强奸
Or a killer out of killing
或者是杀戮中的杀手
Even if you had the SAFE chance to do so,
即使你有安全的机会这样做，
Because you would be blaming and interfering with All-That-Is Because the rapist and the killer are also faces of God...
因为你会指责和干扰万物一体因为强奸犯和杀人犯也是上帝的面孔......
And if you tried to prevent the rape or murder
如果你试图阻止强奸或谋杀
you would be blaming and judging God
你会责怪和评判上帝
And you also would be interfering with the choices
而且你也会干扰选择
Of the people who chose to be raped and killed...
那些选择被强奸和杀害的人......
Which would also be blaming and judging
这也会是责备和评判
Because they, too, are faces of God.
因为他们也是神的面孔。
Having my own personal beliefs
有自己的个人信仰
As well as having been to Seth class
以及上过赛斯课
And having talked to all my friends during and after Seth class And having read the books myself, The class transcripts, too,
在赛斯课上和课后与我所有的朋友交谈并自己阅读了这些书，还有课堂成绩单，
I decided that I had never heard such crazy ideas,
我决定我从来没有听过如此疯狂的想法，
That is crazy to me--ESPECIALLY
这对我来说太疯狂了——尤其是
Spoken as extensions of the Seth material
口语作为赛斯材料的延伸
I realized that, to me at least, something was very wrong in Sethville...
我意识到，至少对我来说，塞斯维尔有些事情非常不对劲……
There were SOME TRUTHS which grew like vines
有些真理像藤蔓一样生长
Upon these crazy ideas—
基于这些疯狂的想法——
Binding them together
将它们绑定在一起
But yet not making the application of these concepts, to me, Valid or true reflections of the Seth material.
但对我来说，这些概念的应用还没有成为赛斯材料的有效或真实反映。
The truths found in these concepts were F2 truths, being superimposed onto F1.
在这些概念中发现的真理是 F2 真理，叠加在 F1 上。
For those who don’t know or remember those terms,
对于那些不知道或不记得这些术语的人，
Briefly, F2, or framework 2, is the nonphysical realm.
简而言之，F2，或框架2，是非物质领域。
Like the dream state or out-of-body state,
就像梦境或灵魂出窍的状态，
And F1, or Framework 1, is our every day waking
F1，或框架 1，是我们每天醒来的时候
Physical reality—
物理现实——
As I said, to me, I saw SOME F2 truths being superimposed onto F1—
正如我所说，对我来说，我看到一些 F2 真理被叠加到 F1 上——
And this was not the best thing to do...
这不是最好的事情......
And then I found this Seth quote
然后我发现了赛斯的这句话
To support my contention:
为了支持我的论点：
Session 759: “YOU CANNOT...INSIST THAT THE LAWS OF YOUR VASTER EXISTENCE, AS YOU
第 759 节：“你不能……坚持你更广阔的存在法则，因为你
DISCOVER THEM, SUPERSEDE THE PHYSICAL CONDITIONS OF KNOWN LIFE -- FOR THEN
发现它们，取代已知生命的物质条件——那时
NO FACTS WOULD APPLY... You will expect to live forever in the same physical body, or think that you can levitate with your body at will. You can indeed levitate, but not with your physical body, practically speaking in operational terms. You accepted a body, and THAT body will die. It HAS
没有任何事实适用……你会期望永远生活在同一个身体里，或者认为你可以随心所欲地随着你的身体漂浮。实际上，从操作角度来说，你确实可以悬浮，但不能用你的身体。你接受了一个身体，那个身体就会死亡。它有
limitations, but these also serve to highlight certain kinds of experience...The 'true FACTS' are that you exist IN this life and OUTSIDE it simultaneously. You are 'between lives' and 'in lives' at once...Your life is a dreaming experience to other portions of your greater reality which focus elsewhere...Existence has a physical version." [END QUOTE]
局限性，但这些也有助于强调某些类型的体验……“真实的事实”是你同时存在于今生和彼世之外。你同时处于“生命之间”和“生命之中”……你的生命是对你更大现实的其他部分的梦想体验，而这些部分关注于其他地方……存在有一个物理版本。” [END QUOTE]
So, Seth advises us not to let the F2 truths supersede the basic F1 realities But this was not enough, for me,
所以，Seth 建议我们不要让 F2 真理取代基本的 F1 现实但这对我来说还不够，
For I wanted to explore DIRECTLY the issues of helping others or not.
因为我想直接探讨是否帮助他人的问题。
I knew, my experiences and beliefs told me,
我知道，我的经历和信念告诉我，
That helping others was a crucial part of the Seth material, But I had to find proof in the material itself To see if, indeed, not hurting and actually helping others WAS deeply embedded in the material,
帮助他人是赛斯材料的重要组成部分，但我必须在材料本身中找到证据，看看材料中是否确实深深地嵌入了不伤害他人并真正帮助他人的做法，
Or not.
或不。
So, I began a journey of discovery, with THAT as my mission—
于是，我开始了探索之旅，以此作为我的使命——
And I NOW report to you the results—
我现在向你们报告结果——
As I found them
当我找到他们时
And for you do with it as you please:
你可以随心所欲地使用它：
I will now discuss what I discovered, with Seth quotes,
我现在将用赛斯的引述来讨论我的发现，
Concerning the eight concepts listed earlier
关于前面列出的八个概念
That lay the foundation for, and prove and explain,
这奠定了基础，并证明和解释了，
At least to my satisfaction,
至少让我满意的是
That helping and not hurting others IS, indeed,
确实，帮助而不伤害他人是，
Deeply imbedded in the Seth material:
深深嵌入赛斯材料中：
BEGIN SETH QUOTES TO FIT EIGHT CONCEPTS
开始引用八个概念
First, the foundation of reality itself
一、现实本身的基础
makes not hurting, but rather helping others
不伤害别人，而是帮助别人
Part of the human equation:
人类方程式的一部分：
As humans, we ARE part of the universe, part of All-That-Is, And we are MADE of the stuff and consciousness of existence.
作为人类，我们是宇宙的一部分，是万物一体的一部分，我们是由存在的物质和意识构成的。
And the first Seth concept, therefore,
因此，第一个赛斯概念，
That I wish to relate to you is this:
我想与您联系的是：
1. love is the basis of existence,
1.爱是存在的基础，
SETH (Class April 13, 1971): “All consciousness of whatever extent feels love though it may not know the verbal designation…for (love) is the basis of all existence.”
赛斯（1971 年 4 月 13 日班级）：“所有意识，无论程度如何，都会感受到爱，尽管它可能不知道口头名称……因为（爱）是一切存在的基础。”
SETH (SESSION 792): "Basically, love and creativity are synonymous. Love exists without an object. It is the impetus by which all being becomes manifest."
赛斯（第 792 节）：“基本上，爱和创造力是同义词。爱没有对象而存在。它是所有存在得以显现的动力。”
SETH (Session 769): “Each species is involved in a cooperative venture, upon which ultimately all earthly existence rests…This cooperation that I speak of is based on love, and that LOVE has a biolgoical as well as a spiritual basis…Your beliefs, for example, cause you to deny the existence of emotions in animals, and any instances of love among them are assigned to 'blind' instinct…The love and cooperation that forms the basis of ALL life...shows itself in many ways.” [END QUOTE]
赛斯（第 769 节）：“每个物种都参与一项合作事业，地球上所有的存在最终都依赖于此……我所说的这种合作是基于爱，而爱具有生物学和精神基础……你的信仰，例如，使你否认动物中存在情感，而动物之间的任何爱的实例都被归为“盲目”本能......构成所有生命基础的爱与合作......以多种方式表现出来。 ” [引用结束]
And I contend that TWO of the ways that love and cooperation show themselves are found in the actions of BOTH not hurting and also of HELPING others.
我认为，爱与合作的两种表现方式可以在不伤害他人和帮助他人的行为中找到。
Seth goes on to say in:
赛斯接着说道：
(Session 770): `'Love is a biological necessity, a force operating to one degree or another in all biological life. Without love there is no physical commitment to life--no psychic hold.' [END QUOTE]
（第 770 节）：“爱是一种生物必需品，是一种在所有生物生命中不同程度发挥作用的力量。没有爱，就没有对生活的物质承诺——也就没有精神上的坚持。 [引用结束]
This is a very powerful statement.
这是一个非常有力的声明。
Not only is love a “biological necessity”
爱不仅是“生物必需品”
but “without love there is no physical commitment to life, no psychic hold.”
但“没有爱，就没有对生活的身体承诺，也就没有精神上的坚持。”
This means, to me, that without love you would not even remain physical And WHEN physical we are motivated to act in harmony With the love that weaves thru us.
对我来说，这意味着如果没有爱，你甚至无法保持身体状态，而当身体处于身体状态时，我们就会受到激励，与编织我们的爱和谐相处。
SETH (Class April 13, 1971): “Love...is the basis for any reality that ANY consciousness knows. If it would not be for love, then I would not be here and if it were not for love, YOU would not have the planet that you know.” [END QUOTE]
塞斯（1971 年 4 月 13 日班级）：“爱……是任何意识所知道的任何现实的基础。如果不是因为爱，那么我就不会在这里，如果不是因为爱，你也不会有你所知道的这个星球。” [引用结束]
So, “love is the basis of existence,” according to Seth.
因此，根据赛斯的说法，“爱是存在的基础”。
This explains why the next Seth concept is true and comes into play, And that is: 2. people are innately good, loving and compassionate SETH Again From (Seth Class April 13, 1971): “The innate love within you, that you are often too embarrassed to express…forms the planet that you know, the physical bodies that you inhabit, the seasons and the reality in which you presently have your existence.
这解释了为什么下一个赛斯概念是正确的并发挥作用，那就是： 2. 人天生善良、充满爱心和富有同情心 赛斯再次出自（赛斯课堂 1971 年 4 月 13 日）：“你内在的内在爱，你是常常不好意思表达……形成了你所知道的星球、你所居住的身体、季节和你目前存在的现实。
Seth (Session 862): “You were born with an in-built recognition of your own goodness. You were born with an inner recognition of your rightness in the universe…These assumptions are the basis of what I call natural law. You are born loving. You are born compassionate…Those attributes also belong to natural law.”
赛斯（第 862 节）：“你生来就对自己的善良有内在的认识。你生来就对自己在宇宙中的正确性有一种内在的认识……这些假设是我所说的自然法的基础。你生来就是有爱心的。你生来就富有同情心……这些属性也属于自然法则。”
SETH (Session 673): "The natural force of love is everywhere within you, and the normal methods of communication are always meant to bring you in greater contact with your fellow creatures." [END QUOTE]
赛斯（第 673 节）：“爱的自然力量在你内心无处不在，正常的沟通方式总是意味着让你与你的同胞有更多的接触。” [引用结束]
And I contend that the innate qualities of love, compassion, and goodness— Dictate or encourage behaviors and actions that are in HARMONY
我认为，爱、同情心和善良的内在品质——决定或鼓励和谐的行为和行动
With these innate qualities
凭借这些与生俱来的品质
which Seth says are parts of Natural Law
赛斯说这是自然法的一部分
It is because it is not natural to act out of harmony with our love, compassion and goodness That we created for ourselves what Seth calls Violations and natural guilt
正是因为与我们的爱、同情心和善良不和谐的行为是不自然的，所以我们为自己创造了赛斯所谓的侵犯和自然的内疚。
Which are my next Seth concepts:
这是我的下一个 Seth 概念：
3. violations and natural guilt are “instincts” embedded in us—to prevent us from repeating harmful acts
3. 违法行为和自然内疚是我们根深蒂固的“本能”——防止我们重复有害行为
Briefly, we violate our own nature, our own innate qualities of love, compassion and goodness when we harm others. Thus, according to Seth, we created an instinct, an inner tugging, that occurs in the moment of reflection before we repeat a harmful action, that prompts us not to harm again— Seth calls this inner tugging, natural guilt.
简而言之，当我们伤害他人时，我们就违背了自己的本性，即我们与生俱来的爱、慈悲和善良的品质。因此，根据塞斯的说法，我们创造了一种本能，一种内在的牵引力，它发生在我们重复有害行为之前的反思时刻，促使我们不再伤害——塞斯将这种内在的牵引力称为自然内疚。
And I contend that if it was simply OK to hurt others—
我认为，如果伤害他人是可以接受的——
We would not even NEED to create this concept and instinct Of natural guilt and violations in order to prevent us from hurting others in the first place.
我们甚至不需要创造这种自然内疚和侵犯的概念和本能，以防止我们首先伤害他人。
Seth (Session 635): ‘Natural guilt...arose hand in hand with mankind’s excursion into the experience of past, present and future. Natural guilt was meant as a preventive measure...
赛斯（第 635 节）：“自然的罪恶感……与人类对过去、现在和未来经验的探索密切相关。自然的内疚感是一种预防措施……
Any previous acts that had aroused feelings of natural guilt were to be avoided in the future. It does not carry with it any built-in connection with punishment as you think of it...Any violation against nature would bring about a feeling of guilt so that when a like-situation was encountered in the future, man would, in that moment of reflection, NOT repeat the same action...
任何先前引起自然内疚感的行为将来都应该避免。它并不像你想象的那样与惩罚有任何内在的联系……任何违反自然的行为都会带来一种内疚感，这样当未来遇到类似的情况时，人类就会，反思的时刻，不要重复同样的动作......
This is, of course, a learning process, natural within the time system that the species adopted...Conscious killing beyond the needs of sustenance is a violation....
当然，这是一个学习过程，在该物种采用的时间系统内是自然的……有意识地进行超出生存需要的杀戮是一种侵犯……
Thou shalt not violate against nature, life, or the earth. In your terms, creaturehood, while striving for survival and longing for life, while abundant and rambunctious, is not inherently gluttonous. It follows the unconscious order that is within it...
你不得侵犯自然、生命或地球。用你们的话来说，生物虽然为生存而奋斗，渴望生命，虽然丰富而暴躁，但本质上并不是贪吃的。它遵循其中的无意识秩序......
Thou shalt not violate. So the principle applies to both life and death---
汝不得违逆。所以这个原则无论生还是死都适用——
Seth (Session 634): "Guilt is the other side of compassion...If you shed the distorted concepts of unnatural guilt and accepted the wise ancient wisdom of natural guilt instead, there would be no wars. You would not kill each other mindlessly …
赛斯（第 634 节）：“内疚是同情心的另一面......如果你摆脱非自然内疚的扭曲概念，并接受自然内疚的古老智慧，就不会有战争。你们不会盲目地互相残杀……
"...Natural guilt, then, is the species' manifestation of the animals’ unconscious corporal sense of justice and integrity. It means: Thou shalt not kill more than is needed for thy physical sustenance. Period. It has nothing to do with adultery or with sex.
“……自然的罪恶感是动物无意识的肉体正义感和正直感的表现。它的意思是：你所杀的动物不得超过你的物质生存所需的数量。期间。它与通奸或性行为。
It does contain innate issues that apply to human beings that would have NO MEANING for other animals in the framework of THEIR experience.
它确实包含适用于人类的先天问题，而这些问题对于其他动物的经验框架来说没有任何意义。
"Strictly, speaking, the translations from biological language to our own is as given in this session; but the finer discrimination reads thusly: thou shalt not violate... An outright lie may or may not be a violation.
“严格来说，从生物语言到我们自己的语言的翻译是在本次会议中给出的；但更精细的区分是这样的：你不得违反……一个彻头彻尾的谎言可能是也可能不是违规。
A sex act may or may not be a violation.
性行为可能是也可能不是违法行为。
A scientific expedition may or may not be a violation.
科学考察可能会也可能不会违规。
Not going to church on Sunday is not a violation.
周日不去教堂并不违法。
Having normal aggressive thoughts is not a violation.
拥有正常的攻击性想法并不构成违规。
Doing violence to your body, or another's is a violation.
对您或他人的身体实施暴力属于违法行为。
Doing violence to the spirit of another IS a violation...
对他人的精神实施暴力是一种侵犯……
Killing another human being is a violation.
杀死另一个人是一种违法行为。
Killing while protecting your own body from death
一边杀戮一边保护自己的身体免遭死亡
at the hands of another through IMMEDIATE contact IS a violation.
通过立即接触而落入他人手中属于违规行为。
Whether or not any justification seems apparent, the violation exists." [END QUOTE]
无论是否有明显的理由，违规行为都存在。”[END QUOTE]
If all of the above is found in the Seth material, And it is, Then it follows, to me,
如果以上所有内容都可以在赛斯材料中找到，并且确实如此，那么对我来说，
that the ramifications of these concepts
这些概念的后果
Would also be found in and very significant to the Seth material—
也可以在赛斯材料中找到，并且对赛斯材料非常重要——
Yet, almost always, in Seth discussions
然而，几乎总是在赛斯的讨论中
ONLY the concept of YOU CREATE YOUR OWN REALITY
只有“你创造你自己的现实”的概念
Is spoken about as the main Seth concept--
被称为主要的赛斯概念——
And IT IS a very important key Seth concept—
这是一个非常重要的关键赛斯概念——
But it is not the ONLY very important key Seth concept
但这并不是唯一非常重要的关键赛斯概念
Which I will now attempt to show you.
我现在将尝试向您展示这一点。
First, to very briefly elaborate on the importance of creating our own reality, It IS true that Seth has often said that we are here to learn that we create our own reality—via our thoughts, beliefs, expectations and emotions and that is why that is the 4th concept is included on my list But I will now show you, That according to Seth
首先，非常简单地阐述创造我们自己的现实的重要性，赛斯确实经常说，我们来这里是为了学习我们通过我们的思想、信仰、期望和情感创造了我们自己的现实，这就是为什么是第四个概念包含在我的列表中但我现在将向您展示，根据赛斯的说法
This is NOT the ONLY THING we made ourselves physical to learn, For Seth has also said, That as we create our own reality
这不是我们让自己成为现实的唯一要学习的东西，因为赛斯也说过，当我们创造自己的现实时
We are to not to hurt others but rather help others...
我们不应该伤害别人，而应该帮助别人...
And THESE are lessons that ALSO must be learned
这些也是必须吸取的教训
Before we move on to other realities--
在我们继续讨论其他现实之前——
All of which leads into the 5th and 6th concepts I will speak about: 5. as we create reality we are not to hurt others Seth (Class, 6-18-74): "When you are truly and completely yourselves, you will not hurt others. You will be individual and yourself, and being TRULY individual will mean that there is no NEED to hurt another."
所有这些都引出了我将要谈到的第五和第六个概念： 5. 当我们创造现实时，我们不会伤害他人 Seth（班级，6-18-74）：“当你真正完全地成为你自己时，你就不会伤害他人。”伤害他人。你将是个人和你自己，而真正的个人意味着没有必要伤害他人。”
Seth (Session 550): The problem of war will sooner or later teach you that when you kill another man, basically you will end up killing yourself...The crisis is a kind of THERAPY, however. It is a teaching method that you have set up for yourselves because you NEED it. And you need it NOW, BEFORE your species embarks upon journeys to other physical realities. You must learn your lessons NOW in your own backyard before you travel to other worlds. So you have brought this upon yourself for that purpose and you will learn" [END QUOTE]
赛斯（第 550 场）：战争问题迟早会告诉你，当你杀死另一个人时，基本上你最终会自杀……然而，危机是一种治疗。这是一种你们为自己建立的教学方法，因为你们需要它。在你们的物种踏上通往其他物理现实的旅程之前，你们现在就需要它。在前往其他世界之前，您现在必须在自己的后院学习课程。所以你为了这个目的而把这件事带到了自己身上，你会学到”[END QUOTE]
This next quote is actually a Seth II quote
下一个引言实际上是赛斯二世的引言:
From Session 446: “You are being allowed freedom within limits. The human race is a state through which various forms of consciousness travel. The ideals keep the race pointed in beneficial directions.
来自第 446 节：“你被允许在有限的范围内自由。人类是一种不同形式的意识在其中传播的状态。这些理想使种族朝着有利的方向发展。
Thoughts and emotions form the basic. You learn by seeing these turn into physical reality. You may be killed by what you have created. If so, the lesson is DOUBLY learned. Before you can be allowed into
思想和情感构成基础。你通过看到这些变成物理现实来学习。你可能会被你所创造的东西杀死。如果是这样，这个教训就加倍了。在您被允许进入之前
systems of reality that are more extensive and open, you must FIRST learn to handle energy, and see, through physical materializations, the CONCRETE RESULT of thought and emotion. As a child forms mud pies from dirt, so YOU FORM your civilization out of thoughts and emotions, and THEN see what you have created, and you must deal with it ON ITS TERMS---In other systems, energy is more directly felt, more extensive. Consciousness has much more freedom in its utilization. The lessons must be properly learned before such responsibility…When you leave the physical system after reincarnation, you have learned the lessons, and you are literally no longer a member of the human race in those terms, for you elect to leave it… In more advanced systems, thoughts and emotions are AUTOMATICALLY
面对更加广泛和开放的现实系统，你必须首先学会处理能量，并通过物理实体化看到思想和情感的具体结果。就像一个孩子用泥土形成泥饼一样，你从思想和情感中形成你的文明，然后看看你创造了什么，你必须按照它的条件处理它——在其他系统中，能量可以更直接地感受到，更广泛。意识的运用有更多的自由。在承担这样的责任之前，必须正确地吸取教训……当你转世后离开物质系统时，你已经吸取了教训，从这些角度来说，你实际上不再是人类的一员，因为你选择离开它……更多先进的系统、思想和情感是自动的
and IMMEDIATELY translated into action, into whatever approximation of matter THERE exists.
并立即转化为行动，转化为存在的任何近似物质。
Therefore, the lessons must be taught and learned well.” [END QUOTE]
所以，一定要好好教、学好教训。” [引用结束]
To me, these quotes just emphasized
对我来说，这些引言只是强调
The importance of not harming others—
不伤害他人的重要性——
For that helps to prepare us for when we move on to other More extensive systems of reality.
因为这有助于我们为转向其他更广泛的现实系统做好准备。
And also when we harm others, we harm ourselves.
当我们伤害他人时，我们也在伤害自己。
They also emphasize the importance
他们还强调了重要性
of dealing with physical reality, or F1, ON ITS TERMS
处理物理现实或 F1，按其条款
And NOT on F2 terms—
而不是 F2 术语——
NOT to superimpose F2 assumptions directly onto F1—
不要将 F2 假设直接叠加到 F1 上——
But rather, as Seth just said,
相反，正如赛斯刚才所说，
You “MUST deal with F1 on ITS TERMS.”
您“必须按照 F1 条款与 F1 打交道。”
And IN F1’s terms, for example, death is real,
例如，用 F1 的话来说，死亡是真实的，
And so is suffering and vulnerability.
痛苦和脆弱也是如此。
Seth (Session 759): “Existence has a physical version. In THAT framework you are born and die, and in a definite sequence. Death is a physical reality. It is real, however, ONLY in physical terms.” [END QUOTE]
赛斯（第 759 节）：“存在有一个物理版本。在这个框架中，你出生和死亡，并且按照一定的顺序。死亡是一个物理现实。然而，它只是在物理意义上是真实的。” [引用结束]
And not only is death real in F1 terms, but exactly 37 years ago yesterday, Seth said the following: In a class from Nov. 21, 1972—in a discussion about war, and killing people in war, Seth said: “Now in greater terms, you know quite well that you cannot annihilate a consciousness. And all of those who die in war, know well that they will die in war ahead of time. But still, in physical terms, all of that must be worked out, for THE VERY POINT OF PHYSICAL EXISTENCE is that you realize that your thoughts become matter while you are here, AND MATTER CAN BE VULNERABLE. And so through direct experience you learn what happens when you let thoughts and feelings of aggression have FULL play.” [END QUOTE]
死亡不仅在 F1 术语中是真实存在的，而且就在 37 年前的昨天，赛斯说了这样的话： 在 1972 年 11 月 21 日的一堂课上，在讨论战争和战争中杀人时，赛斯说：“现在在更广泛地说，你很清楚你无法消灭意识。而所有死于战争的人，都提前清楚地知道他们将死于战争。但从物理角度来说，所有这些仍然必须解决，因为物理存在的关键在于，你意识到当你在这里时，你的思想变成了物质，而物质可能是脆弱的。因此，通过直接的经验，你会了解到当你让攻击性的想法和感觉充分发挥时会发生什么。” [引用结束]
To me, these comments express MAJOR keys of the Seth material. Seth is telling us, in short that the VERY
对我来说，这些评论表达了赛斯材料的主要关键。简而言之，赛斯告诉我们，非常
POINTS OF PHYSICAL EXISTENCE are three-fold:
物质存在的要点有三重：
1. Thoughts become matter, Matter being the substance of physical reality—our physical bodies, as well as the other physical objects.
1.思想变成物质，物质是物理现实的实质——我们的身体，以及其他物理对象。
2. Matter can be vulnerable, meaning that physical matter can be hurt and destroyed, specifically the human body—especially in the quote just given concerning war. Seth doesn’t equivocate because matter is an “illusion” from the F2 perspective. That doesn’t supersede that matter IS vulnerable in F1.
2. 物质可能是脆弱的，这意味着物质可能会受到伤害和破坏，特别是人体，尤其是在刚刚引用的有关战争的引文中。赛斯毫不含糊，因为从 F2 的角度来看，物质是一种“幻象”。但这并不能取代 F1 中的问题很脆弱。
3. Through our physical experience, on ITS TERMS, we are here to learn what can happen if we allow ourselves to do various things that hurt others—in other words--when we let thoughts and feelings of aggression have full play.
3. 通过我们的身体经验，按照它的术语，我们在这里是为了了解，如果我们允许自己做各种伤害他人的事情，换句话说，当我们让攻击性的想法和感觉充分发挥时，会发生什么。
And the vulnerability of matter, we will soon see,
我们很快就会看到物质的脆弱性，
IS a key quality of physical reality
是物理现实的一个关键品质
AND physical reality ITSELF is a key quality.
物理现实本身就是一个关键品质。
Here’s Seth (Session 498): "Your ego is now focused within this reality…it is from this system that the greatest potentials emerge; for having dealt with it, consciousness undergoes one of the severest tests in learning to handle its own energy. [PAUSE QUOTE]
这是赛斯（第 498 节）：“你的自我现在专注于这个现实……正是从这个系统中，最大的潜力出现了；在处理它之后，意识在学习处理自己的能量时经历了最严峻的考验之一。[暂停报价]
Me Again:
又是我：
I contend that
我认为
We would not undergo ANY TEST AT ALL
我们根本不会接受任何测试
If it were simply valid to just say that
如果这只是简单地说的话
Hurting others doesn’t matter or exist because physical reality is an illusion And there really is no death, and we are all faces of God.
伤害他人并不重要，也不存在，因为物质现实是一种幻觉，而且确实不存在死亡，我们都是上帝的面孔。
Seth now continues, talking about the SIGNIFICANCE of the vulnerability of matter: (Session 498): "The horror and the results of mismanagement, and the VULNERABILITY; are the teaching methods that each consciousness has accepted before entering your system. THERE IS NO
赛斯现在继续谈论物质脆弱性的意义：（第 498 节）：“管理不善的恐怖和结果以及脆弱性；是每个意识在进入你们的系统之前所接受的教学方法。没有
WAY OUT BUT TO LEARN OR TO RUIN THE ENTIRE SYSTEM. In no other field of reality are the terms so drastic. For THIS reason the inner self withholds much of its knowledge. There must be NO
唯一的出路就是学习或毁掉整个系统。在现实的其他领域中，这些术语都没有如此激烈。由于这个原因，内在自我保留了很多知识。必须没有
leaning upon the very basic fact that behind and within the system there is relief. You MUST believe in the physical reality and accept the VULNERABILITY. [PAUSE QUOTE]
依靠一个非常基本的事实，即体制背后和体制内存在救济。你必须相信物理现实并接受脆弱性。 [暂停报价]
Seth has just directly addressed the argument
赛斯刚刚直接解决了这个论点
Made by some Seth readers that BECAUSE, ultimately,
由一些赛斯读者制作，因为最终，
There IS relief and there is no death—
有解脱，没有死亡——
That THEREFORE harming others is OK...
因此伤害他人是可以的......
For Seth THEN added that you still
对于赛斯来说，那么补充说你仍然
MUST believe in the physical reality and accept.
必须相信物理现实并接受。
NOT reject the VULNERABILITY.
不要拒绝该漏洞。
Seth Continues (Session 498): "Now, from your system spring some of the most advanced of all identities.
赛斯继续（第 498 场会议）：“现在，从你们的系统中涌现出一些最先进的身份。
They go on and learn from other realities, granted, but YOURS is the hardest to manage, and those who accept it go off into a certain line of development where the potentials are beyond anything of which you can presently conceive. [END QUOTE]
他们继续从其他现实中学习，当然，但你的现实是最难管理的，那些接受它的人会进入某种发展路线，其中的潜力超出了你目前可以想象的任何东西。 [引用结束]
Next is the closest I could find
接下来是我能找到的最接近的
Of Seth addressing the current new-age fad,
赛斯谈到当前的新时代时尚时，
As far as I’m concerned
就我而言
About abundance and helping others—
关于丰富和帮助他人——
That is—if you take care of yourself—you help others,
也就是说，如果你照顾好自己，你就能帮助别人，
And that is how you deal with those who are suffering—that’s The Secret.
这就是你对待那些正在受苦的人的方式——这就是秘密。
You attract your wealth.
你吸引了你的财富。
You attract you want.
你吸引你想要的。
And let others do the same.
并让其他人也这样做。
Seth (Class, 6-11-74): "You cannot separate yourselves from others or from your world. Indeed, neither can you immerse your individuality, as you know, in others. But by being yourself COMPLETELY, you are automatically doing what you yourself want to do — fulfilling the purpose that is your own, and joining with others of like purpose. And you become, therefore, a force of nature, and in trusting that force that is yourself, you flow naturally into those areas of your own interest and the interests of others.
赛斯（班级，6-11-74）：“你无法将自己与他人或你的世界分开。事实上，正如你所知，你也不能将你的个性沉浸在他人身上。但是，通过完全做你自己，你会自动做你想做的事情。你自己想做的事——实现你自己的目标，并与其他有相同目标的人联合起来。因此，你成为一股自然的力量，在相信你自己的力量时，你会自然地流入你的那些领域。自己的利益和他人的利益。
You are a brotherhood...
你们是兄弟情...
Rich Responded: "So practically speaking, if I have a desire for a beautiful house, pretty clothes, a beautiful car, etc., and I fulfill that desire, then practically speaking, I am in some way acting to actually alleviate a future situation such as exists in India with starving people. Right?"
里奇回应道：“所以实际上，如果我渴望拥有漂亮的房子、漂亮的衣服、漂亮的汽车等，并且我实现了这个愿望，那么实际上，我正在以某种方式采取行动，以实际缓解未来的情况就像印度存在的那样，那里的人们正在挨饿。对吗？”
Seth Responds: Even I have trouble following that reasoning. [PAUSE QUOTE]
赛斯回应：即使是我也很难理解这个推理。 [暂停报价]
Here, Richard has made the point or expressed the belief that many new-agers of today have made: That simply by taking care of your own needs & desires & using your abundance to buy cars & houses— you are somehow helping those in need or who are starving around the world.
在这里，理查德提出了观点或表达了当今许多新人的信念：仅仅通过照顾自己的需求和欲望，并用你的富裕来购买汽车和房屋，你就在某种程度上帮助了那些有需要的人或世界各地正在挨饿的人。
And Seth says, “Even I have trouble following that reasoning!”
赛斯说：“即使是我也很难理解这个推理！”
Rich then tried to explain himself:
里奇随后试图解释自己：
Rich Continues: "Well, by being spontaneous, whenever my spontaneity--if I'm being spontaneous, then naturally I am helping the world of which I am part, automatically."
里奇继续说道：“好吧，通过自发性，每当我的自发性时——如果我是自发性的，那么我自然而然地就在帮助我所属的世界，自动地。”
Seth Responds: You are, indeed!
赛斯回应：确实是这样！
Rich Continues: "All right, so if my spontaneity leads me to -- even though there are people starving in India and money could be sent there to feed them -- if my spontaneity truly leads me more to buying a beautiful house, a beautiful car..."
里奇继续说道：“好吧，所以，如果我的自发性引导我——即使印度有人在挨饿，并且可以寄钱去那里养活他们——如果我的自发性真的引导我更愿意买一栋漂亮的房子，一栋漂亮的房子车...”
Seth Interrupts: "If you allow your spontaneity its own freedom, then you can quite happily have whatever you want. But spontaneity will also lead you to thoughts of love for others. It will lead you to realize that you cannot plunder your planet, and it will lead you to realize that as long as one person is starving then YOU are starving in ways that YOU are too ignorant to recognize." [END QUOTE]
塞斯打断道：“如果你允许你的自发性拥有自己的自由，那么你就可以很高兴地拥有你想要的任何东西。但是自发性也会引导你爱他人的想法。它会让你意识到你不能掠夺你的星球，并且它会让你认识到，只要有人在挨饿，那么你就在以一种无知而无法意识到的方式挨饿。” [引用结束]
Seth, to me, is CLEARLY saying that you don’t help those in need simply by buying things for yourself or by finding excuses or philosophies to ignore them, or not to help: Seth (Session 550): "You cannot say, 'The poor are poor simply because they chose poverty and therefore there is no need for me to help them.' This attitude can easily draw poverty to you in the next experience."
对我来说，赛斯明确表示，你不能仅仅通过为自己购买东西或寻找借口或哲学来忽视他们或不提供帮助来帮助那些有需要的人：赛斯（第 550 节）：“你不能说，'穷人之所以穷只是因为他们选择了贫穷，因此我不需要帮助他们。”这种态度很容易在下次经历中给你带来贫穷。”
Seth (Class 6-11-74): “There IS abundance. There is ALSO the fact that you dwell on a physical planet, with a sense of love and identification. Your idea of survival would not include annihilating other species so that you could live. You would understand that ALL of you SHARE this reality, and that all of you are bound together in a gestalt of creativity. [END QUOTE]
Seth（6-11-74 班）：“这里很丰富。还有一个事实是，你居住在一个物质星球上，具有爱和认同感。你的生存理念不会包括消灭其他物种以便你能够生存。你会明白，你们所有人都共享这个现实，并且你们所有人都以创造力的形式结合在一起。 [引用结束]
And in book one of the personal sessions, Seth said:
在其中一本个人会议中，赛斯说：
"...There is a difference between gluttony and abundance." [END QUOTE]
“……贪吃和丰富之间是有区别的。” [引用结束]
I contend that allowing people to suffer, That is, doing NOTHING when you can just as easily do SOMETHING
我认为，允许人们受苦，也就是说，当你可以轻松地做某事时，什么都不做
That would be of help in SOME way
这在某种程度上会有帮助
IS hurting others—
正在伤害他人——
It continues and enables their suffering
它继续并使他们遭受痛苦
When you could just as easily have helped to alleviate or curtail it...in some matter...
当你可以轻松地帮助减轻或减少它......在某些事情上......
And this leads us to our next Seth concept:
这引出了我们的下一个 Seth 概念：
Next, according to Seth, we are also here to “learn” or “remember”
接下来，根据赛斯的说法，我们来这里也是为了“学习”或“记住”
That in the process of reality creation
在现实创造的过程中
We are to, number six,
我们要，第六，
Not only NOT harm others...
不但不伤害别人...
But actually HELP others.
但实际上帮助别人。
6. and as we create our reality we are to help others Seth (June 9, 1984, from Way To Health):"Some people might say, I have a right to die, when they are arguing the case for suicide. And while this is true, it is also true that the people on your PLANET need every bit of HELP and encouragement they can get from each person alive. In a certain sense, the energy of each individual DOES keep the world going, and to commit suicide is to refuse a basic, cooperative venture." [END QUOTE]
6. 当我们创造我们的现实时，我们要帮助别人 Seth（1984 年 6 月 9 日，来自《健康之路》）：“当他们争论自杀的时候，有些人可能会说，我有权死。这是真的，你们星球上的人们确实需要从每个活着的人那里得到每一点帮助和鼓励。从某种意义上说，每个人的能量确实让世界继续运转，而自杀是拒绝基本的合作事业。” [引用结束]
Seth next suggests some simple ways that you can help. Simple actions you can take.
接下来，赛斯提出了一些可以提供帮助的简单方法。您可以采取的简单操作。
And there is no need for self-sacrifice.
并且不需要自我牺牲。
There is no need for you to suffer
没有必要让你受苦
In the process of helping others:
在帮助别人的过程中：
SETH (Session 850): “There is nothing more stimulating, more worthy of actualization, than the desire to change the world for the better. That is indeed each person's mission (intently). You BEGIN by working in that area of activity that is your own unique one, with your own life and activities. You BEGIN in the corner of an office, or on the assembly line, or in the advertising agency, or in the kitchen.
SETH（第 850 场会议）：“没有什么比让世界变得更美好的愿望更刺激、更值得实现的了。这确实是每个人的使命（认真地）。你首先要在你自己独特的活动领域工作，有你自己的生活和活动。你从办公室的角落、装配线上、广告公司或厨房开始。
You BEGIN where you ARE…When you fulfill your own abilities, when you express your personal idealism through ACTING IT OUT TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY IN YOUR DAILY LIFE, then you *are* changing the world for the better.”
你从你所在的地方开始……当你发挥自己的能力时，当你通过在日常生活中尽你所能来表达你的个人理想主义时，那么你就正在让世界变得更美好。”
Seth (Session 64): "...WHEN IT IS POSSIBLE IT IS NOT ONLY WISE BUT
Seth（第 64 节）：“……只要有可能，它不仅是明智的，而且
ADVANTAGEOUS TO HELP ANY LIVING CREATURE, REGARDLESS OF ITS STATURE
有利于帮助任何生物，无论其身材如何
IN YOUR SCHEME OF THINGS...
在你的计划中......
Seth (Class, 8-18-70): "YOU ARE NOW DWELLING IN PHYSICAL REALITY.
Seth（班级，8-18-70）：“你们现在居住在物理现实中。
IT BEHOOVES YOU TO HELP OTHERS. When you take from others, you take from yourselves. When you give to others, you give to yourselves." [END QUOTE]
您有责任帮助他人。当你从别人那里获取时，你就是从自己那里获取。当你给予他人时，你就是在给予自己。”[引用结束]
to me, “taking from others”
对我来说，“从别人那里获取”
implies greed, gluttony, and a willingness to keep getting more for yourself, if you KNOW that it hurts others in the process that it will be at the expense of what others may need...
意味着贪婪、暴食以及为自己不断获得更多的意愿，如果你知道这会伤害他人，并且会以牺牲他人可能需要的东西为代价……
and “giving to others” to me
以及“给予他人”给我
implies helping others, sharing what you can,
意味着帮助他人，分享你能做的，
not taking an over-abundance of what you need at the expense of others, in some way, and as Seth will say in the next quote, “We have a natural bent for taking care of others.”
不要以某种方式牺牲他人的利益来获取过多的需求，正如赛斯在下一段引言中所说的那样，“我们有照顾他人的本能。”
Seth (Session 426): "The purpose is, quite simply, BEING, as opposed to NOT being. I am telling you what I know, and there is much I do not know. I KNOW THAT HELP MUST BE GIVEN, ONE TO THE OTHER, AND THAT EXTENSION AND EXPANSION ARE AIDS TO BEING."
赛斯（第 426 节）：“目的很简单，就是存在，而不是不存在。我告诉你我所知道的，还有很多我不知道的。我知道必须给予帮助，一个人要帮助其他，而这种延伸和扩展是对存在的帮助。”
Seth (Session 897): "Good intent is apparent within your world.
赛斯（第 897 节）：“在你们的世界中，良好的意图是显而易见的。
It is obvious in the cooperative ventures that unite say, the mineral, plant, and animal kingdoms, the relationship of bee to flower. And your beliefs to the contrary, YOU HAVE CLOSED YOUR MINDS
在将矿物、植物和动物王国联合起来的合作企业中，蜜蜂与花朵的关系是显而易见的。与你的信念相反，你已经关闭了你的思想
TO MAN'S COOPERATIVE NATURE, TO HIS INNATE DESIRE FOR FELLOWSHIP, HIS
根据人的合作本性，根据他与生俱来的团契渴望，他的
NATURAL BENT FOR TAKING CARE OF OTHERS, AND FOR ALTRUISTIC BEHAVIOR." [END QUOTE]
天生有照顾他人和利他行为的倾向。”[引用结束]
By the way, I looked up the word “altruistic” and it means:
顺便说一句，我查了“利他”这个词，它的意思是：
“Unselfish concern for the welfare of others; selflessness.”
“无私地关心他人的福祉；无私。”
So, Seth is directly saying that humans have a NATURAL BENT
所以，赛斯直接说人类有自然的倾向
To have an unselfish concern for the welfare of others.
无私地关心他人的福祉。
SETH (Session 697): "The race suffers when any of its members die of starvation or disease, even as a whole plant suffers if a group of its leaves are 'unhappy'. In the same way all members of the species are benefited by the happiness, health, and fulfillment of those individuals who compose it."
赛斯（第 697 节）：“当任何一个成员死于饥饿或疾病时，这个种族就会遭受苦难，就像如果一组叶子“不高兴”，整个植物也会遭受苦难一样。同样，该物种的所有成员都受益于那些组成它的人的幸福、健康和成就感。”
Seth (Class, 12-10-74): "AS YOU HELP OTHERS SO WILL YOU ALSO BE
Seth（班级，12-10-74）：“当你帮助别人时，你也会
HELPING YOURSELF, and as you carry on dialogues with other people so are you carrying on dialogues with yourselves and doing very well --
帮助自己，当你与其他人进行对话时，你是否也与自己进行对话并且做得很好——
all of you."
你们所有人。”
Seth (Session 770): "You are born knowing that you possess a unique, intimate sense of being that is ITSELF, AND THAT SEEKS ITS OWN
赛斯（第 770 节）：“你生来就知道自己拥有一种独特、亲密的存在感，这种存在感就是它本身，并且正在寻找它自己的存在感。
FULFILLMENT, AND THE FULFILLMENT OF OTHERS. You are born seeking the actualization of the ideal. You are born seeking to add value to the quality of life, to add characteristics, energies, abilities to a life that only you can individually contribute to the world, and to attain a state of Being that is uniquely yours, while adding to the value fulfillment of the world. All of these qualities and attributes are given you by natural law." [END QUOTE]
成就感，以及他人的成就感。你生来就追求理想的实现。你生来就在寻求为生活质量增加价值，为生活增添只有你个人才能为世界做出贡献的特征、能量和能力，并在增加价值的同时达到一种独特的存在状态。世界的实现。所有这些品质和属性都是自然法赋予你的。”[END QUOTE]
In other words, “seeking the fulfillment of others”...is a quality given to us by “natural law.”
换句话说，“寻求他人的成就”……是“自然法”赋予我们的品质。
To me, this seems a pretty significant part of being human, of the physical experience And of the Seth material.
对我来说，这似乎是人类、身体体验和赛斯材料的一个非常重要的部分。
Finally, there are two more concepts that Seth mentions
最后，Seth还提到了两个概念
That tie directly into not hurting others,
这直接关系到不伤害他人，
And not using the Seth material to neglect helping others:
并且不要使用赛斯材料来忽视帮助他人：
Seth concept number 7:
赛斯概念 7：
the ends do not justify the means
目的不能证明手段的合理性
First, I would like to note that Seth NEVER said anywhere in his vast material Anything like: “The ends always or sometimes justify the means because there is really no death and everyone is the face of God.”
首先，我想指出的是，赛斯在他的大量材料中从未说过这样的话：“目的总是或有时证明手段是合理的，因为真的没有死亡，每个人都是上帝的面孔。”
Seth (Class, 3-27-73): "I am not condemning the feelings that give rise to religions. I am telling you that the organizations destroy the intuitions because again, each revelation is a reality. It is not the only reality, but organizations put up fences about the reality and say, ‘You follow these rules. These are right.’ And they are so convinced of the nature of their truth, that they will kill to withhold it, and that is WRONG! THE ENDS DO NOT JUSTIFY THE MEANS, and the creatures have a greater sanity than this, and there is a wisdom and a religion in their FLESH that is unknown to your philosophies, and alien to them and mud is holier than philosophies that teach killing and death to uphold truth! A fly is holier than a Pope who causes death, or than a guru who whips you across your shoulder so that you can understand your guilt. and, I speak in righteous anger on behalf of ALL creatures, because I have been a creature many times." [END QUOTE]
赛斯（班级，3-27-73）：“我并不是谴责产生宗教的感觉。我告诉你们，这些组织摧毁了直觉，因为同样，每个启示都是现实。它不是唯一的现实，但是组织对现实设置了栅栏，并说：“你遵循这些规则。这些是正确的。”他们如此确信自己的真理的本质，以至于他们会杀人来隐瞒它，这是错误的！不要为手段辩护，而这些生物比这更理智，他们的肉体中有一种智慧和宗教，这是你们的哲学所不知道的，对他们来说是陌生的，泥土比教导杀戮和死亡的哲学更神圣。真相！一只苍蝇比导致死亡的教皇更神圣，也比一个用鞭子打你肩膀让你了解自己的罪孽的古鲁更神圣。而且，我代表所有生物以正义的愤怒发言，因为我曾经是一个生物多次。” [引用结束]
I would add to this that mud is also holier than any philosophy That teaches you to ignore or enable the killing and suffering of others because we are all faces of God and because there is no death. .
我想补充一点，泥土比任何哲学都更神圣，它教导你忽视或允许他人的杀戮和痛苦，因为我们都是上帝的面孔，因为没有死亡。 。
And I believe Seth addresses this is the next quote
我相信赛斯会在下一句话中提到这一点
When he talks about NOT ACCEPTING violence.
当他谈到不接受暴力时。
Seth (Class, 1-16-73): “Any time that you commit a violence, or ACCEPT VIOLENCE in what you think of as the defense of good, you are doing what was done in that time (the time of the Nazis), and bear that in your heart. THE END DOES NOT JUSTIFY THE MEANS in your reality. And when you are teaching others, hold that in your heart. It is your one and only defense against what happened in Hitler’s time, and that answer is within you. And what’s more, you know it!”
Seth（班级，1-16-73）：“任何时候，如果你实施暴力，或者在你认为捍卫善良的过程中接受暴力，你就是在做那个时代（纳粹时代）所做的事情。” ，并将其记在心里。在你的现实中，目的并不能证明手段的合理性。当你教导别人时，要把这一点记在心里。这是你对希特勒时代发生的事情唯一的防御，而答案就在你的内心。更重要的是，你知道！”
Seth (Session 873 ): THE END DOES NOT JUSTIFY THE MEANS. If you learn that lesson, then your good intent will allow you to act effectively and creatively in your private experience, and in your relationships with others.
赛斯（第 873 场会议）：目的不合理。如果你吸取了这一教训，那么你的良好意图将使你能够在你的私人经历以及与他人的关系中有效和创造性地采取行动。
Seth (Class, 4-22-69): “I have told you before, however, that there is never any justification for violence.
Seth（班级，4-22-69）：“但是，我之前已经告诉过你们，暴力永远没有任何理由。
There is never any justification for threats. It makes no difference whether or not you THINK THAT
威胁从来没有任何道理。无论你是否这么想都没有什么区别
THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS, BECAUSE IT DOES NOT.
目的不择手段，因为事实并非如此。
The means create the end.
手段创造目的。
And if the means are violent, the ends are violent.
如果手段是暴力的，那么结果也是暴力的。
None of you – none of you...solidly understands what I am trying to tell you. I hope you shall some day. [END QUOTE]
你们中没有人……你们中没有人……完全理解我想告诉你们的事情。我希望有一天你会。 [引用结束]
And finally, to put a nail in the coffin, as far as I’m concerned, About how Seth’s concepts do NOT justify the belief that it is OK to harm others Or ENABLE or NEGLECT the suffering of others For it is only an illusion.
最后，就我而言，要在棺材上钉上一颗钉子，关于赛斯的概念如何不能证明伤害他人或允许或忽视他人的痛苦是可以的，因为这只是一种幻觉。
Let’s go to the last concept of my presentation--concept number 8:
让我们来看我演讲的最后一个概念——概念 8：
violence is never justified even in the pursuit of your ideals or in self-defense First, I would like to note that Seth NEVER said anywhere in his vast material Anything like: “Violence is always or sometimes justified
即使是在追求理想或自卫的过程中，暴力也永远是不正当的。 首先，我想指出的是，赛斯在他的大量材料中从未说过这样的话：“暴力总是或有时是正当的”
because there is no death, no one is really harmed, and we all the face of God.”
因为没有死亡，没有人真正受到伤害，我们都是上帝的面子。”
Seth (Class, 6-18-74):
赛斯（班级，6-18-74）：
Class Member: "To what extent, when you are doing what you believe is RIGHT for you, and you are conscious of hurting another individual, do you -- at what point -- violate that other person’s reality?"
班级成员：“当你在做你认为对你来说正确的事情时，并且你意识到伤害了另一个人，你在什么程度上违反了另一个人的现实？”
Seth Responds: "Now, first of all ... when you are being yourself, truly, and completely, you cannot hurt anyone else. You can only do yourself good, and others, also.
赛斯回答：“现在，首先……当你真正、完全地做你自己时，你就不能伤害任何人。你只能为自己和他人做好事。
"In YOUR frame of reference as you learn to be yourself truly and completely, there may indeed be episodes in which you need further experience, but in greater terms, you cannot hurt another unless that other acquiesces. That is NOT MEANT in any way as a justification, in that framework, for violence.
“在你的参照系中，当你学会真正、完整地做你自己时，可能确实会有一些场景需要你进一步的经验，但从更大的角度来说，除非对方默许，否则你不能伤害他人。这并不意味着在这个框架内，为暴力提供了理由。
There are often, however, misunderstandings and you cannot in greater terms within your framework, justify violence of any kind by saying, 'well, the other person wanted it -- they asked for it!'"
然而，经常存在误解，在你的框架内，你不能用更大的术语来为任何形式的暴力辩护，说：“好吧，另一个人想要它——他们要求它！”
"It is true, again, that violence cannot be done to another, without that person's consent. The beliefs, however, are extremely important. But when you are completely and fully being yourself, you cannot hurt another for it is not in your nature to do so...
“确实，未经他人同意，不能对他人实施暴力。然而，信仰极其重要。但是，当你完全做你自己时，你就不能伤害他人，因为这不是你的本性。”这样做...
"When you are truly and completely yourselves, you will not hurt others. You will be individual and yourself, and being TRULY individual will mean that there is no need to hurt another." [END QUOTE]
“当你真正、完全地做你自己时，你就不会伤害别人。你将是独立的，也是你自己，而真正的独立意味着没有必要伤害别人。” [引用结束]
And I contend that IF you ignore or willfully do nothing When YOU CAN JUST AS EASILY DO SOMETHING—to help Such as advocate the concept of help, vote for candidates who support help, Take less for yourself when you really don’t need more In order to leave more for others who do need whatever it is, Give money when you can, and/or Volunteer time and so forth.
我认为，如果你忽视或故意什么也不做，当你可以轻松地做一些事情时——去帮助，比如倡导帮助的概念，投票给支持帮助的候选人，当你真的不需要更多的时候，为自己索取更少的东西。为了给其他确实需要的人留下更多的东西，尽可能捐钱，和/或志愿服务时间等等。
That you then ARE hurting others—
那你就是在伤害别人——
Because you hurt others by enabling the hurting of others WHEN you can easily do something to alleviate, stop or lessen the hurting And IF you ARE hurting others Then, when you behave in these manners
因为当你可以轻松地做一些事情来减轻、停止或减轻伤害时，你就会伤害他人，而如果你正在伤害他人，那么，当你以这些方式行事时
You are therefore, NOT being truly yourself,
因此，你并不是真正的你自己，
You are not being truly spontaneous.
你并不是真正自发的。
Seth (Class, 1-21-69): There will never be a justification for killing or violence.
Seth（班级，1-21-69）：杀戮或暴力永远没有理由。
Since there is no death, in your terms, there is no murder. We will have some long sessions dealing with this matter, but I tell you all now – no good will come of violence. The gains that seem to be won will end in the violence of those who bring them about. The violence will be reborn in them. It will be part of their reality, and others will turn against them. This applies to any people at any time.
既然没有死亡，用你们的话来说，就没有谋杀。我们将举行一些长时间的会议来处理这个问题，但我现在告诉你们所有人——暴力不会带来任何好处。看似赢得的成果最终会以实现这些成果的人的暴力而告终。暴力将在他们身上重生。这将成为他们现实的一部分，其他人会反对他们。这适用于任何人、任何时间。
If there is one message I would give to you all, it is that there is no justification for killing – there is no justification for hatred – there is no justification for violence. It may occur, but those who indulge in violence are themselves changed, and the purity of their purpose adulterated. They are no longer the selves that they were...
如果我要向你们所有人传达一则信息，那就是杀戮是没有理由的——仇恨是没有理由的——暴力是没有理由的。这种情况可能会发生，但那些沉迷于暴力的人本身已经改变，他们的目的的纯洁性也被掺杂了。他们已经不再是原来的自己了……
As long as one person commits violence for the sake of peace you will have war. Unfortunately, in the condition in which your world finds itself, it is extremely difficult to imagine that all the young men in all of the countries at the same time will refuse to go to war. And so you must work out the violence that violence has wrought.
只要有人为了和平而实施暴力，战争就会发生。不幸的是，在你们世界所处的情况下，很难想象所有国家的所有年轻人同时拒绝参战。因此，你必须解决暴力造成的暴力问题。
Not in your physical time, but within the next hundred years, that time may come... (phrase omitted)...
不是在你们的物理时间里，而是在接下来的一百年内，那个时刻可能会到来……（省略短语）……
but when it comes, and if it comes soon it will come as a miracle. For it will come when every man realizes that killing is wrong, and when every young man in every country refuses to go to war, and when he refuses to curse any man or any flower. You do not defend any idea with violence. With violence you kill an idea. [END QUOTE]
但当它到来时，如果它很快到来，那将是一个奇迹。因为当每个人都意识到杀戮是错误的时候，当每个国家的每个年轻人都拒绝参战，当他拒绝诅咒任何人或任何花朵时，它就会到来。你不会用暴力来捍卫任何想法。通过暴力，你就扼杀了一个想法。 [引用结束]
And I contend that you do not DEFEND any idea
我认为你不捍卫任何想法
By enabling violence or suffering
通过助长暴力或痛苦
Or turning your back on its existence.
或者拒绝它的存在。
And, found at the close of the book:
并且，在书的结尾处发现：
“The Individual and the Nature of Mass Events”
《个体与群体事件的本质》
Seth (Session 850): "Idealism presupposes 'the good' as opposed to 'the bad,' so how can the pursuit of the 'the good' often lead to the expression of 'the bad?' For THAT, we will have to look further...There is one Christian commandment that can be used as a yardstick...'Thou shalt not kill.' That is clear enough...'Thou shalt not kill' says you shall not kill your neighbor no matter how you feel about him.
赛斯（第 850 节）：“唯心主义以‘善’为前提，而不是‘恶’，那么对‘善’的追求怎么会常常导致‘恶’的表达呢？”为此，我们必须进一步研究……有一条基督教诫命可以用作衡量标准……“不可杀人。”这很清楚……“不可杀人”说的是无论你对邻居的感觉如何，你都不能杀死他。
"So let us say in a new commandment:
“所以让我们在新的诫命中说：
'Thou shalt not kill even in the pursuit of your ideals.' [END QUOTE]
“即使是为了追求你的理想，你也不能杀人。” [引用结束]
Let me say, in closing,
最后我要说的是，
That whatever you find in the Seth material
无论你在赛斯材料中找到什么
that seems to contradict what I’ve said today,
这似乎与我今天所说的相矛盾
or what Seth himself says elsewhere:
或者赛斯本人在其他地方说过的话：
Don’t just accept one “side” OR the “other” side
不要只接受“一方”或“另一方”
But try to reconcile the seeming contradictions
但尝试调和看似矛盾的事情
For I claim there are no contradictions
因为我声称没有矛盾
But only that which SEEMS to be contradictions
但只有那些看起来是矛盾的
Which exist, as I stated as earlier,
正如我之前所说，存在的，
Because of allowing our F2 awareness
因为让我们的F2意识
To supersede the realities of F1.
取代F1的现实。
BOTH perspective are true, and neither negates the other.
这两种观点都是正确的，并且没有否定对方。
Let me repeat that quote:
让我重复一下那句话：
Session 759: " YOU CANNOT...INSIST THAT THE LAWS OF YOUR VASTER EXISTENCE, AS
第 759 节：“你不能……坚持你更广阔的存在法则，因为
YOU DISCOVER THEM, SUPERSEDE THE PHYSICAL CONDITIONS OF KNOWN LIFE -- FOR
你发现它们，取代已知生命的物质条件——因为
THEN NO FACTS WOULD APPLY...You will expect to live forever in the same physical body, or think that you can levitate with your body at will. You can indeed levitate, but not with your physical body, practically speaking in operational terms. You accepted a body, and that body will die. It has limitations, but THESE also serve to highlight certain kinds of experience... Existence has a physical version." [END QUOTE]
那么任何事实都不会适用……你会期望永远生活在同一个身体里，或者认为你可以随心所欲地随着你的身体漂浮。实际上，从操作角度来说，你确实可以悬浮，但不能用你的身体。你接受了一个身体，那个身体就会死亡。它有局限性，但这些也有助于强调某些类型的体验......存在有一个物理版本。”[引用结束]
And let me add the Doctrine of Both—
让我补充一下两者的学说——
That unites these seeming contradictions:
这将这些看似矛盾的现象结合在一起：
BOTH sides are true—
双方都是真的——
There actually are NO contradictions—
其实没有任何矛盾——
And neither side should supersede or negate the other;
任何一方都不应取代或否定另一方；
For there is a balance between the two frameworks
因为两个框架之间存在平衡
That keeps physical reality and our navigating within it Just the way we have chosen for it to be.
这使得物理现实和我们在其中的导航保持我们所选择的方式。
Allow me to close with these two brief Seth quotes:
请允许我用赛斯的这两段简短的引言来结束：
Seth (Session 72): "...Objects exist, and yet objects in another sense do not exist. There is NO objective universe, and yet there IS an objective universe. This is not hedging the matter, if you will excuse a pun, and the subject will take much further study on your parts. You MUST act as if there were an objective universe. The world, or field, that you presently inhabit is real, definite on your level. The fact that its reality is ONLY limited TO your level, and does not extend to other fields, MUST NOT TEMPT YOU to discount it; and yet while you MUST behave in a large manner AS IF your universe were inherently and basically objective, you must still retain the knowledge that this APPARENT objectivity has great limits, even practically speaking; and a too-great dependence in a world of objectivity can lead to a psychic imprisonment which is unnecessary."
赛斯（第 72 节）：“……对象存在，但另一种意义上的对象不存在。不存在客观宇宙，但存在客观宇宙。如果你能原谅双关语的话，这并不是回避问题。 ，而这个主题将需要你进一步研究。你必须表现得好像有一个客观的宇宙一样。你目前居住的世界或领域是真实的，在你的水平上是确定的。事实上，它的真实性只是有限的就你的水平而言，并且不会延伸到其他领域，绝不能诱使你低估它；然而，虽然你必须在很大程度上表现得好像你的宇宙本质上和基本上是客观的，但你仍然必须保留这种明显的客观性的知识即使在实践中也有很大的局限性；对客观世界的过度依赖可能会导致不必要的精神禁锢。”
Seth (Class 12-2-78): You are alone and not alone. Now, that statement is far more important than it sounds. For in your aloneness, and in your togetherness, and between the two, THERE is the meaning of your humanity. And THERE is the meaning of your life and your death. You cannot be completely together. You cannot be completely alone. Yet always must your existence flit between the two. Between the desire and the ideal, between the dream and its execution, between your love and your expression of it. THERE dwells your reality and your meaning, and THEREIN lies the validity of your soul. [END QUOTE]
Seth（12-2-78 班）：你很孤独，但并不孤独。现在，这句话比听起来重要得多。因为在你的孤独中，在你的团结中，以及在两者之间，存在着你的人性的意义。这就是你的生与死的意义。你们不可能完全在一起。你不可能完全孤独。然而你的存在总是必须在两者之间游走。在欲望和理想之间，在梦想和实现之间，在你的爱和你的表达之间。那里居住着你的现实和你的意义，那里存在着你灵魂的有效性。 [引用结束]
And thank you very much.
非常感谢你。
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