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[赛斯资料] 不满意!赛斯经常说我心灵能力强大,可是我开发本有能力的时候,感觉不得要领,进展缓慢!

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 楼主| 发表于 2024-3-29 23:25:10 | 显示全部楼层 来自 中国上海
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赛斯说:
As far as mediums are concerned, for that matter the term is rather ridiculous.From my point of view it is like saying that some people are breathers and some are not.Everyone is a medium, unwittingly and yet knowingly.
就灵媒而言,就这一点而言,这个词相当可笑。从我的角度来看,好像是说,有些人要呼吸,而有些人则不。然而,每个人都是灵媒,在不知情中,但又明明知 道。
Your so-called mediums are simply people who know more about what they are doing.You are learning step by step how to gain access to abilities that you have always enjoyed, always used to some extent, and which have helped mold the exterior circumstances of your life and given your personality much of its meaning.You will learn more.You can use these abilities in a practical manner and you have already begun to do so to some extent.
你们所谓的灵媒,不过是更了解自己在做什么的人。你正在一步步地学习如何获 得你一直喜欢的、一直在某种程度上使用的能力,这些能力帮助塑造了你生活的外部环境,并赋予你人格许多意义。你会学到很多。你可以用很实际的方式使用 这些能力,你在某种程度上已开始这样做了。
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I will go into this more deeply also.I am merely presenting a brief outline of the direction in which this material will go in the future.If you will ignore the apparent distinction between inner and outer senses you will get along at a faster rate.Even though they are not different things I must speak of them differently because they appear so on your plane.This is caused of course by the typical camouflage distortion effect, which occurs on almost every plane to some extent.
我也会更深入地探讨这个问题。我只是对这些资料今后的发展方向作一个简单的 概述。如果你能忽略内在和外在感官之间的明显区别,你会更快地习惯这两种感官。即使它们并无不同,我也必须以不同的方式来谈论它们,因为它们在你的层 面上显得如此。这当然是由典型的伪装扭曲效应造成的,几乎每个层面上都会出 现一定程度的伪装扭曲效应。

出自早期课第一册 第 19 节 相信直觉,伪装,能量转换

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这个跟天赋 也有关系。  和前世的积累 也有关系。  不用强求呀,哈哈。  发现你身上的强项, 发挥它就好。 我看 版主 就特别适合你,哈哈。
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 楼主| 发表于 2024-3-31 08:05:20 | 显示全部楼层 来自 中国上海
The whole exercise, or any part of it, must only be done in order to avail yourself of wisdom, so that you can use your own abilities to help yourself and others.
所有练习,或者任何部分的练习,进行的目的必须只是为了让自己使用智慧,以便你可以利用自身的能力来帮助自己和他人。



The purpose is very important, for when the purpose is a good one then it unites the other images about you and your purpose beneficially. It is part of the equation, as important as a plus sign rather than a minus sign, and as important to your results.目的非常重要,因为当目的是良善时,它会把环绕你身边的其他形相和你的目的以有利的方式结合。它是这恒等式的一部分,和加号同等重要,而非减号,并且对你的结果也同等重要。
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Those who try the exercises with wrong purposes will not succeed, for they will not have the proper equation, and it is the one part that cannot be given to them. Do you understand?
那些出于不当目的尝试练习的人不会成功,因为他们会缺乏适当的恒等式,这是不能给予他们的那一部分。你明白吗?


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 楼主| 发表于 2024-3-31 10:28:22 | 显示全部楼层 来自 中国上海
There are many other natural and spontaneous kinds of comprehension that can also result from the waking and sleeping rhythms that I have suggested. The unconscious, the color black, and death all have strongly negative connotations in which the inner self is feared; the dream state is mistrusted and often suggests thoughts of both death and/or evil. But changed wake-sleep habits can, again, bring about a transformation in which it is obvious that dreams contain great wisdom and creativity, that the unconscious is indeed quite conscious, and that in fact the individual sense of identity can be retained in the dream state. The fear of self-annihilation, symbolically thought of as death, can then no longer apply as it did before.


从我建议的醒睡节奏中(分段睡眠),也还会带来许多自然与自发的理解。无意识、黑色与死亡,全都有很强烈的负面含意,在其中,你害怕内我,也不信任梦境,而它常常暗示了死亡或邪恶的想法。
再次地,改变醒、睡的习惯,却可带来一个转变,使得以下三件事都变得很明显:梦包含了伟大的智慧与创造力、无意识相当地有意识,以及事实上,在梦境可以保留个人的本体感。那时人们就不再有那个“以死亡为象征的自我毁灭”恐惧了。

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In the natural body-mind relationship the sleep state operates as a great connector, an interpreter, allowing the free flow of conscious and unconscious material. In the kind of sleep patterns suggested, optimum conditions are set up. Neurosis and psychosis simply would not occur under such conditions. And in the natural back-and-forth leeway of the system, exterior dilemmas or problems are worked out in the dream situation, and interior difficulty may also be solved symbolically through physical experience.
在自然的身心关系里,睡眠状态像是一个伟大的连接者、一个诠释者,而容许有意识与无意识资料自由地流动。在所建议的那种睡眠模式里,建立了最有益的条件。在这种条件下,神经病与精神病根本就不会发生。而在这个系统中,意识自然来回的空间里,外在的难局和困难,在梦的环境里被解决了,而内在的困难也能透过实质经验象征性地解决。
《个人实相的本质》第652节

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发表于 2024-3-31 13:23:24 | 显示全部楼层 来自 澳大利亚
本帖最后由 Www 于 2024-3-31 13:57 编辑

在学习中,我发觉自己也经常把一个更理想化版本的自己投射出去,想寻求高我的帮助或跟祂连接。感觉就像在分隔自己。 后来我看到道瑞资料也提到:我们不喜欢叫“真正的你”为“高我”,因为那儿没有“更高”。没有高低,全是一样的 – 都是“你”,是“你”在体验中。

也就是内在自己和外在自己是一个整体,内在自己通过灵感,冲动,耳语或梦境跟外在自己沟通。外在自己负责在我们物质世界操作,体验。我发觉内在自己跟我沟通的方式是:1. 轻声的耳语。2. 不会在我情绪不稳定的时候说话。3. 不会评判好与坏。4. 在生活中不断提供各种线索或标示,给我指引。

所以关键是在生活中对自己的起心动念,自己的情绪和感受比较了解,观察自己当下在想什么,说什么,做什么,以及为什么有这样的情绪或感受。当我越来越这么做的时候,我和家人间心电感应的能力增强,无需语言,心电感应的沟通已经完成。同步性事件,对梦境中的暗示或提点也更容易理解。尤其在生活中,内在自己提供很多帮助给我。我觉得心灵能力表现在生活的方方面面,我 就是那个内在自己,只是我们不了解,还在学习中。
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很棒的分享!你也是对自己认真、对生活认真的朋友。
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 楼主| 发表于 2024-4-3 20:53:11 | 显示全部楼层 来自 中国上海
本帖最后由 崔胜 于 2024-4-3 20:56 编辑

从猫的身上,我看出了使用内在感官能力的游戏性。

赛斯说:


鲁柏和约瑟有只小猫,在它伟大而充沛的肉体精力之中,追逐自己的尾巴、攀爬家具,使自己力竭——而以多少相似的方式,人的心智充满活力地与自己玩耍。理想地说,它可以自由地用所有那些精彩、有劲的能力,没有实质回馈的需要,也不需要小心或质疑。它寻求实相,促生心理模式,尽情地在精神活动上用它自己,就像小猫在肉体的游戏上那样。


Ruburt and Joseph have a kitten. In its great exuberant physical energy it chases its own tail, scales the furniture, tires itself out — and man’s mind exuberantly plays with itself in somewhat the same fashion. Ideally,it can use all those splendid energetic abilities freely, without the necessity for physical feedback, caution, or questioning. It seeks realities, giving birth to psychological patterns. It uses itself fully in mental activity in the same way that the kitten does in physical play.
出自《心灵的本质》第790节 1977年01月03日 星期一 晚上9:20分 29段

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 楼主| 发表于 2024-4-10 11:35:17 | 显示全部楼层 来自 中国上海
本帖最后由 崔胜 于 2024-4-10 11:39 编辑

下面是赛斯指出珍做“心理时间”练习过程中出现的问题。这对我们有一定的借鉴作用。

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(Jane has been practicing psychological time regularly. She reports that she attains her usual good “state, ” with little else happening.The only suggestions she gives herself now are to the effect that she is completely relaxed, and free of space and time. She used to use many more suggestions.
(珍一直都规律在做心理时间的练习,她表示通常能达到不错的“境界”,很少会出什么状况。目前她给自己下的唯一暗示,大意是她完全放松,也摆脱了时间和空间的束缚,她过去习惯使用更多的暗示。


(It will be remembered that in the 140th session Seth suggested Jane avoid psychological time for a while, after she had unwittingly gone too far, too fast.A week later Jane resumed psy-time on a reduced time basis.Now, even though she is back up to her regular half-hour, she has had no experiences to speak of since then.She has however had some rather startling clairvoyant experiences outside of psy-time.
(大家应该记得,第140节当中,在珍不经意练习得太过度、太快速之后,赛斯曾建议她那阵子先暂时停止练习心理时间。一周后,珍恢复练习,但缩短了时间。目前,珍虽然又回到半小时的规律练习,但从那时起她并没有什么经验可说。不过在心理时间之外,她有过好几次相当惊人的千里眼经验。



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He must avoid a do-or-die attitude. He does best when he allows his mind to wander, and not when he hems it in.In his psychological time experiments lately, he has concentrated with his will, though he did not realize he was doing so. Again, this leads to a constriction.
他千万不要有不做就会完蛋的态度,若能允许自己的心四处游走,就会有最佳表现,但若关闭自己的心,就不会有效果。最近他进行心理时间实验时,都是靠自己的意志力聚精会神地练习,不过他自己并不知道这一点,而这种做法会导致压缩。
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He must remember however in his psychological time experiments that to focus outward, within and through the universe, is to expand and focus inward simultaneously.He must seek the expansion before he seeks the results or effects of the expansion.
但是他做心理时间练习时必须记得,不管是在宇宙里面或是穿透宇宙,他在往外聚焦的同时,其实也是在往内扩展与聚焦。他必须先求扩展,才能获得扩展的结果或成效。


出自早期课第4册 第178节


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 楼主| 发表于 2024-4-28 16:16:42 | 显示全部楼层 来自 中国上海
下面是摘自《灵界的讯息》第19章 内在感官——何谓内在感官以及怎么用它

“Precisely what steps do you want us to follow?” one of the students asked.
有个学生问:「你究竟要我们做些什么?」


赛斯答:“First, you must try to understand the nature of reality. To some small extent I have begun to explain this in the Seth Material. The five hundred and some-odd sessions we have barely represent an outline, but they are enough to start with. The ideas, in themselves, will make you think. I have told you that there are Inner Senses as well as physical ones. These will enable you to perceive reality as it exists independently of the physical world. You must learn to recognize, develop, and use these Inner Senses. The methods are given in the material. But you cannot utilize the material until you understand it.
赛斯答:「第一,你们必须试着了解实相的本质。在『赛斯资料』中我已开始解释了一点点。五百多节课仅只代表了一个大纲,但作为开始是够了。这些概念本身就会令你们绞尽脑汁。我已告诉过你们除了肉体感官外,还有『内在感官』。这些感官使你们能知觉存在于物质世界之外的实相。你必须学着认知、发展和利用这些『内在感官』。在资料中给了你们方法。但必须等你们了解这资料之后才能利用它。


“The material itself is—if you’ll forgive the term—cleverly executed; so that as you grapple to understand it, you are already beginning to use abilities beyond those that you take for granted.
「且容我大言不惭的说,这资料本身制作得很聪明,因此当你拼命的想了解它时,你已经开始用你视为当然的能力之外的能力了。


“You must, first of all, cease identifying yourself completely with your ego, and realize that you can perceive more than your ego perceives. You must demand more of yourself than you ever have before. The material is not for those who would deceive themselves with pretty, packaged, ribboned truths that are parceled out and cut apart so that you can digest them. That sort of material serves a need, but our material demands that you intellectually and intuitively expand.”
「首先,你必须停止与你的自我全盘认同,而了悟你比你的自我知觉得更多。你必须要求自己胜过你所曾要求的。这资料不是为那些愿意用系上缎带、漂漂亮亮包装好的真理欺骗他们自己的人。那些真理被分解分包,以便你们能消化。那种资料适合某种需要,但我们的资料要求你心智与直觉的扩展。」


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【你可能知道,极度地沉浸在任何特定的活动中,会一时失去,或似乎失去自我身份,因为活动和人格合为一体。在这种情况下,鲁伯成为他的诗,而你成为你的画。】----我理解这就是专注的入神状态

【在这种状态下,人格摆脱了封闭系统概念的限制。虽然你可能仿佛忘了你自己,但你的本体身份并没有真正失去,是支撑身分的道具丧失了。正是在这种状态下,最重要,和最有益的内在感官体验才会发生。】----在专注入神的状态下,我们内在的感官体验了什么呢?我们的自我意识完全没有概念的情况才是最好的体验状态吗?

【你们都经历过这种状态,无论是在你们的工作中,还是在你们心理时间的场景中。你们在工作时,并不确)切地知道,以有意识的方式,如何达到这种状态。它似乎只是抓住了你,然后消失。你无法用意志让它发生。】----这一段貌似提供了一个冥想的努力方向。
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你的理解非常好。
我们内在的感官体验了什么呢?体验很多,大多数情况下难以描述,也不必描述。
我们的自我意识完全没有概念的情况才是最好的体验状态吗?有人倡导完全去掉头脑的概念去体验。可以去尝试除掉概念,但很困难。我认为没有必要追求所谓“最好”的体验状态,而是“体验到什么,就是什么”,没有所谓的最好状态。
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 楼主| 发表于 2025-3-12 15:23:52 | 显示全部楼层 来自 中国上海

鲁柏和约瑟都致力于探索创造性的本质,从很年少的时候就在寻求答案——但最重要的就是,他们信任他们的“存在”命运与优美。
有时候他们也许会觉得自己迷失了方向。在某一段时期里,他们也许有一些问题,因而暂时忘记了他们的目标,但他们对自己个别的或共同的信念,强到足以给他们现在的实相。
许多写信来的人想要发展并且用到同样的能力,然而,由他们的信里,可以很明显地看出,他们的信念阻止了他们对内我产生足够的信任。你不能害怕自己的存在,却希望旅行过它,去探索它的幅度。首先,你必须采取肯定身份的简单一步,那个肯定将释放出你拥有的那些属性,而打开经验的崭新大道,它们将是且必然是你自己的。举例来说,当你请别人来诠释你的梦时,你就自动地把自己潜能的实现放远了一步。当你请别人告诉你人生方向时,那么到某个程度上,你就不知道自己正在拥有它。没有这种觉知,那么就没有一个方法能帮助你,
《个人实相的本质》677节
Ruburt and Joseph have both worked with the nature of creativity, and from an early age each of them sought for answers — but most of all they trusted the destiny and grace of their beings.
They might have felt that they had lost direction at times. For certain periods they might have had problems in which they forgot their aims momentarily, and yet their beliefs in themselves individually and together were strong enough to give them their present reality.
Many who write want to develop and use the same abilities, yet it is obvious from their letters that their beliefs prevent them from trusting the inner self enough. You cannot fear your own being and expect to travel through it, to explore its dimensions. First you must take the simple step of affirming your identity. That affirmation will release those attributes that you have and open up new avenues of experience. They will and must be your own. When you ask others to interpret your dreams, for example, you are automatically putting the fulfillment of your own potentials a step away. When you ask another to tell you the direction of your life, then to some extent you keep from yourself the realization that you yourself possess it. Without that awareness no methods will help you.

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